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		Comment on Mixing With Headphones 2 by Greg Simmons		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-2#comment-42934&quot;&gt;Lal C Dissanayake&lt;/a&gt;.

Third and fourth are now live, fifth and sixth coming soon!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-2#comment-42934">Lal C Dissanayake</a>.</p>
<p>Third and fourth are now live, fifth and sixth coming soon!</p>
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		Comment on Mixing With Headphones 2 by Greg Simmons		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-2#comment-43642&quot;&gt;Rick Veneer&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes indeed Rick, LOL! It is always best to avoid argumentative mixes. For this I use the Leaner plug-in and adjust the Bias appropriately. Sometimes I raise the threshold nice and high on the fact gate so I don&#039;t hear anything in the mix that I don&#039;t want to hear. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-2#comment-43642">Rick Veneer</a>.</p>
<p>Yes indeed Rick, LOL! It is always best to avoid argumentative mixes. For this I use the Leaner plug-in and adjust the Bias appropriately. Sometimes I raise the threshold nice and high on the fact gate so I don&#8217;t hear anything in the mix that I don&#8217;t want to hear. 🙂</p>
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		Comment on Mixing With Headphones 1 by Greg Simmons		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-43778&quot;&gt;Bart Nettle&lt;/a&gt;.

The reproduction of Atmos in headphones is beyond the line I&#039;m drawing for this series, Bart! It [Atmos in headphones] is not something I am very familiar with, which might become obvious in the rest of my reply but nonetheless let me explain my apathy-driven ignorance...

I am very cynical about surround/immersive formats in general (a surround format by any other name is still a surround format). I have seen numerous surround formats come and go in my life, and the recurring dynamic is: 1) studio owners invest huge sums of money in multiple speaker systems and room designs, and then work hard generating excitement about it to recoup and hopefully capitalise on their investment; 2) respected mixing engineers make endorsements saying they will never mix in stereo again, and 3) other companies start offering competing formats/standards. And what are the recurring outcomes?

For (1) it is the &#039;Field Of Dreams&#039; effect (&quot;If you build it, he will come&quot;) except Shoeless Joe never sticks around, and the additional speakers are invariably removed or covered over because nothing says &#039;loser&#039; louder than supporting a dead format. For (2) they invariably end up mixing in stereo again as the new surround format fails, because (3) competing formats always lead to &#039;format fatigue&#039; where potential adopters siege it out to see which format will emerge as the standard and, as a result, all competing formats die of market starvation.

If Atmos can recreate in headphones something equivalent to or better than the binaural recording mentioned in this instalment, but with all the benefits of multitrack audio production, it will be amazing and I&#039;ll be lining up for it. In the meantime, stereo has been with us since the 1950s and has outlived &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; competitor.

The only legacy I can think of from the preceding surround/immersive formats that remains a significant and influential part of today&#039;s popular music production is SSL&#039;s Quad compressor. It was part of a late 1970s future-proofing gamble in anticipation of a four-channel surround format becoming successful – which is why SSL&#039;s 4000 series consoles had front and back stereo buses (relatively simple to achieve) but no joystick on every channel for panning between them (super expensive, fiddly and unjustifiable). The Quad compressor, and its imitations/derivatives, has become an essential part of popular music production. We mostly use it in stereo, of course, reinforcing my belief that anything in the surround/immersive space that doesn&#039;t work in stereo ends up floating for eternity in the surround/immersive &lt;em&gt;outer&lt;/em&gt; space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-43778">Bart Nettle</a>.</p>
<p>The reproduction of Atmos in headphones is beyond the line I&#8217;m drawing for this series, Bart! It [Atmos in headphones] is not something I am very familiar with, which might become obvious in the rest of my reply but nonetheless let me explain my apathy-driven ignorance&#8230;</p>
<p>I am very cynical about surround/immersive formats in general (a surround format by any other name is still a surround format). I have seen numerous surround formats come and go in my life, and the recurring dynamic is: 1) studio owners invest huge sums of money in multiple speaker systems and room designs, and then work hard generating excitement about it to recoup and hopefully capitalise on their investment; 2) respected mixing engineers make endorsements saying they will never mix in stereo again, and 3) other companies start offering competing formats/standards. And what are the recurring outcomes?</p>
<p>For (1) it is the &#8216;Field Of Dreams&#8217; effect (&#8220;If you build it, he will come&#8221;) except Shoeless Joe never sticks around, and the additional speakers are invariably removed or covered over because nothing says &#8216;loser&#8217; louder than supporting a dead format. For (2) they invariably end up mixing in stereo again as the new surround format fails, because (3) competing formats always lead to &#8216;format fatigue&#8217; where potential adopters siege it out to see which format will emerge as the standard and, as a result, all competing formats die of market starvation.</p>
<p>If Atmos can recreate in headphones something equivalent to or better than the binaural recording mentioned in this instalment, but with all the benefits of multitrack audio production, it will be amazing and I&#8217;ll be lining up for it. In the meantime, stereo has been with us since the 1950s and has outlived <em>every</em> competitor.</p>
<p>The only legacy I can think of from the preceding surround/immersive formats that remains a significant and influential part of today&#8217;s popular music production is SSL&#8217;s Quad compressor. It was part of a late 1970s future-proofing gamble in anticipation of a four-channel surround format becoming successful – which is why SSL&#8217;s 4000 series consoles had front and back stereo buses (relatively simple to achieve) but no joystick on every channel for panning between them (super expensive, fiddly and unjustifiable). The Quad compressor, and its imitations/derivatives, has become an essential part of popular music production. We mostly use it in stereo, of course, reinforcing my belief that anything in the surround/immersive space that doesn&#8217;t work in stereo ends up floating for eternity in the surround/immersive <em>outer</em> space.</p>
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		Comment on Mixing With Headphones 1 by Greg Simmons		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-42937&quot;&gt;Thomas Shea&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree about the similarities between Neumann&#039;s headphones and monitor speakers. I have discussed how that kind of translation is achieved in the second and third instalments. I suspect that Neumann have created their own equivalent to the Harman Target curve, based on using their own monitors. Not many headphone manufacturers can do that because they don&#039;t make monitor speakers as well. It&#039;s very interesting when a company manufactures both and can use one as a reference for the other; the whole goal of a target curve suddenly becomes useful in the production stage rather than just a matter of listening preferences for consumers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-42937">Thomas Shea</a>.</p>
<p>I agree about the similarities between Neumann&#8217;s headphones and monitor speakers. I have discussed how that kind of translation is achieved in the second and third instalments. I suspect that Neumann have created their own equivalent to the Harman Target curve, based on using their own monitors. Not many headphone manufacturers can do that because they don&#8217;t make monitor speakers as well. It&#8217;s very interesting when a company manufactures both and can use one as a reference for the other; the whole goal of a target curve suddenly becomes useful in the production stage rather than just a matter of listening preferences for consumers.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 01:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-42792&quot;&gt;Chris Share&lt;/a&gt;.

I am glad you&#039;re enjoying it Chris!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.audiotechnology.com/tutorials/mixing-with-headphones-1#comment-42792">Chris Share</a>.</p>
<p>I am glad you&#8217;re enjoying it Chris!</p>
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