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		<title>Mix Masters: Drake’s Honestly, Nevermind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Holder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2023 22:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Issue 86]]></category>
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			<p class="p1" style="text-align: center;"><strong>Artist:</strong> Drake<br />
<strong>Album:</strong> <em>Honestly, Nevermind</em></p>

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			<p class="p1">Luca Pretolesi has perfected a highly-developed in/out-the box mix process for dance music that stands out for its clarity, depth and separation, especially with his work on synthesised drums. Speaking from his Studio DMI facility in Las Vegas, he explains how he applied his ‘special sauce’ to Drake’s ‘Honestly, Nevermind’ album. Luca Pretolesi:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">Drake has had the same producer, 40, from day one. 40 is also co-owner of Drake’s label, OVO. 40 is a great producer who understands mixing. So I came into Drake’s ‘Honestly, Nevermind’ project where things were done in a certain way and I wasn’t there to shake up the process; I was there to fit in.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">They prefer to keep a song open until the absolute last second. You’ll have songs that you’d swear are produced, mixed and mastered, only to have a part replaced right at the last moment. So that&#8217;s the mindset.</p>
<p class="p1">I worked with 40 in Toronto for a period, understanding how they go about things and figure out how I can fit into their process. I’m on board to bring my mixing expertise to the project. I’m known for being able to provide extra perceived loudness, width and separation into a mix. But I can’t do that sitting next to 40 working on their Pro Tools session.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">After a while we developed a flow. 40 would send me a stem, say drums, and ask me what I thought and what I’d do differently. I’d flow that into Studio One and mix it with my gear and approach and send it back. We developed a flow. It’d get to a point where WhatsApp would be constantly pinging and DropBox would be constantly updating.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>DRUMS: IT’S THE 808, BABY</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">‘Honestly, Nevermind’ is a dance album and the biggest songs have input from very different collaborators. The song ‘Sticky’ sees Drake rapping and the drums switch between house beats and hip hop. The song ‘Massive’, sounds totally European… and was a big success in Europe. We used the hit songs as the reference point for the whole album. The point is, it might be a dance album but we wanted it to sound like a cohesive whole, not a compilation album.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">A big part of that is the 808. In the US what they mean by ‘the 808’ is the sine wave sub sound under the kick drum. Of course, the term stems from the original Roland TR808 drum machine and its kick drum sound.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">The 808 is a challenge because every collaborator will have a different 808 sound and a totally different approach to drums. When I go to mix, I start with the drums, I see it as the foundation of every song, in fact, <cite><strong style="background: #672885; color: #ffffff;">I’ll probably spend 70% of the time on drums and then 30% on the rest.</strong></cite> If always start with the drums, I’ll always start by getting the kick drum sound right. Often producers will layer their kick sound — a top kick, and 808 tail and often another a crunchier kick sound out of FL Studio. If that’s the case I always insist on being sent the individual components. I really carefully make sure all the sounds are perfectly in phase, before I do anything else.</p>
<p class="p1">I then have an approach in my Studio One DAW where I’ll bus the drums out to an analogue signal chain that takes up the whole left hand side of my mixing/mastering console. I’ve perfected the signal flow over many years to the point now where I don’t even have to think about it. Studio One’s Pipeline plug-in makes it all possible. Effectively it lassos my analogue summing devices into the session as if it was just another plug-in, without latency.</p>
<p class="p1">I now don’t tend to mess with the setting of my drum bus processing/summing, the main lever I have is how hard I push sound into that chain. The manner in which the analogue gear responds, gives it the attitude.</p>

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			<h4 class="p1"><strong>SUM &amp; DIFFERENCE MAKES A DIFFERENCE</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">I process all my drums using sum and difference rather than stereo. I use an SPL Gemini that does the conversion. I have a couple of old outboard items in this signal path and, initially, I think my motivation for processing in sum and difference was I didn’t know if I could totally trust that gear to process both the left and the right hand sides exactly the same. I didn’t want the left hand side to be half a dB louder, for example. So my entire drum bus signal path is sum and difference, including the SSL G compressor.</p>
<p class="p1">Sum and difference is a well known mastering processing technique but not used so much for mixing. The ‘sum’ information is everything that’s in phase, while the difference is what’s not in phase. <cite><strong style="background: #672885; color: #ffffff;">For the type of music I work with, it’s especially helpful because the technique allows me to more heavily compress the in-phase, centre information, while allowing a reverb tail or a background vocal to have a much lighter touch.</strong></cite> On the other hand, if I crush it all with a stereo compressor then I lose my depth in the sound stage, because I’m squeezing the decay time and bringing it up front. Sum and difference allows me to get maximum punch on the mono information while keeping the sides more open.</p>
<p class="p1">It’s just another technique that allows you to increase perceived loudness without destroying the depth of the mix. If you’re indiscriminately compressing everything, including reverb tails and HF elements of your mix, it makes your mix smaller and becomes more fatiguing to listen to. You may not even be able to hear 15kHz but if those frequencies are getting squeezed hard, then you feel tired listening to those songs over and over because there’s no dynamic range on the top end. That area is very sensitive to compression, in a bad way.</p>

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<p class="p1">So now when I have the tone or the colour that I’m after, it’s going back in the box. Studio One is doing 90% of the work, but my drums really benefit from what I’m hearing through the analogue transformer saturation, the compression, and the EQ. But I’m making my listening decisions in the box. I’m listening to the Studio One session, post-conversion, back through my mastering console.</p>
<p class="p1">I think this is the difference in my approach versus an analogue engineer running channels up through an SSL, for example. I’m using my analogue gear as a ‘soft ceiling’, that I can push into from my DAW. Of course, I need high quality converters so I can trust the results coming out of my DAW. That said, I’m also often using the converters as another stage. I’ll intentionally clip my converter, just to shape the transients a little. That’s part of my sound and another reason why I&#8217;m making all my decision post my conversion.</p>

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<p class="p1">If my drums summing is all about tone and saturation, my vocals and synths summing is all about pristine clarity.</p>
<p class="p1">All of those elements are almost entirely mixed in the box, including vocals. There’s on exception, I’ll use Studio One Pipeline to bus vocals out to a Tubetech CL1B compressor. Once I’m happy I’ll commit and print it back in my DAW.</p>
<p class="p1">I use a Masalec summing mixer, which is simply an amplifier I use for stems that need no extra treatment. Again, I’m not trying to colour those parts of my summing but I want to blend my vocals, synths, and reverb returns in a pleasing way before they hit my mastering console, the SPL DMC.</p>
<p class="p1">To get my stems into the Masalec I use a Metric Halo LIO-8, which is totally clean. When I need it, I also have a Prism Titan converter. Everything clocks from the Metric Halo.</p>
<p class="p1">While I’m in a mixing mindset, I’m running summing for drums, synths, and vocals then hitting a custom compressor I’ve had built here and a DMI EQ, which both provide a signature DMI sound. I’m thinking about the mix being open and spacious. I’m not doing any mastering limiting — that’s a job for tomorrow when I’ve got my mastering hat on.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="p1">Studio One’s Pipeline plug-in is what triggered me to switching DAWs after 16 years on Logic. It was in the middle of a weekend and I getting frustrated with Logic, battling with latency when I was trying to A/B a plug-in. I think Logic has fixed the problems with those functions now, but at the time it was messy.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">Someone told me about Studio One and Pipeline (I think it was Steven Slate, actually) and I guess I was desperate enough to give it a go. I wasn’t looking to switch DAWs. The other big ah-ha moment was seeing that I could work with 32-bit floating point files, while at the time Logic wouldn’t let me import 32-bit files, you’d have to down-convert to 24-bit. As I got to know Studio One, the more I was impressed. For about three months or so, I was working on Logic with my daily mixes while continuing to experiment with Studio One. The way it integrated with my analogue gear ended up winning me over.</p>
<p class="p1">The interesting fact is with Pipeline you can parallel a piece of gear with the plug-in, all in perfect phase alignment. I can do automation on the mix knob. In fact, you can take a photo and then drop that photo on the plug in when you open a session and it’ll emulate the photo settings in the hardware. So that’s why I was hooked.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>VCA MIX TIPS</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">I do a lot of VCA automation in Studio One. The aim is to trigger my analogue compression and saturation differently for different parts of the song. For example, I want to keep the verses very dynamic. So in the verses I’ll pull back the VCA and let my analogue gear breathe a little more, less pushing. And then I hit in my chorus with more level. Again, there are knock-on and compound effects down the signal path by making small VCA moves.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>WIDTH</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">If you mix wide — where you’ve got a stereo widening processor on everything that’s not mono — then it’s not going to sound wide after about 30 seconds, because now everything is so out of phase that you don’t feel it being wide. To me, it’s all about contrast. It’s like watching a black and white movie, and you get a flash of red and yellow. The contrast is striking. If everything is pumping red and yellow the whole time, you zone out. Which is why I stay extremely mono on drums, but then I do something like a ‘tree’ effect, where stereo element open up and out using chords and synths, growing wider… then close again. It&#8217;s more like a dynamic approach to stereo instead of a static super wide approach that loses its impact.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>

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<p class="p1">Luca Pretolesi relocated from his native Italy to the US back in 2000. Around the year 2010, dance music, heavily influenced by a European sound, began to really pick up. DJ heavyweights, like Steve Aoki and Diplo, were just starting to make a name for themselves. Luca saw his opportunity to combine his love for dance music and his production chops by pitching his services to producers/DJs starting to make their mark. His offer was to help these guys with their mixing — “send me stems of that track you released and I’ll show you how I can help… no charge”. It was a fishing exercise that hit the jackpot with Steve Aoki. Steve was super-impressed with Luca’s work and engaged him to mix his first album, which was a huge hit, garnering a Grammy nomination for Best Dance Album of the Year. Other DJ producers and labels soon took note and Luca’s career has been on a steep incline ever since.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">At this early stage, Luca was renting a modest office space in Las Vegas as a studio. He operated during the hours of 7pm-7am so as to not spook the insurance broker downstairs.</p>
<p class="p1">That said, Vegas proved to be a good location, as his client base would be regularly flying in for DJ’ing gigs at the casinos.</p>
<p class="p1">Diplo was one of those DJ producers who wondered why Steve Aoki’s tracks sounded so good and began working with Luca, meeting up while he was in Vegas. It was Diplo who put it to Luca that he should set up a studio at the Wynn casino where Diplo had a residency. Diplo put in a good word, resulting in a basement space becoming available. During a particularly fertile period, Luca was ‘johnny on the spot’ at Wynn while some of the biggest DJ producers in the world came through, including the likes of Swedish House Mafia, Afrojack, Skrillex, and Justin Bieber.</p>
<p class="p1">Luca outgrew the Wynn space and he’s now bought a building in Vegas to accommodate Studio DMI, which encompasses four studios — some 4000sqft (370sqm) — including an Atmos room. Luca and his team now turn over between 700 and 800 mixes or masters in a year.</p>
<p class="p1">“Commercial success has come to me in the second part of my life where I’ve been able to use my experience. I had a fresh approach, I was very enthusiastic, optimistic, but also conservative at the beginning. I didn’t over stretch myself. I worked on one record at a time and built things up organically. So for those younger studio people who might be complaining how things aren’t happening for them, don’t forget, the skill you’re acquiring don’t have an expiration date — experience and maturity means something in the studio. Personally, success didn’t come to me until I’d turned 40. Even then, I’m now lucky enough to enjoy the company of some amazing engineers and producers, and mostly they’re all older than me.</p>
<p class="p1">Studio DMI: <span style="color: #ffffff;"><a style="color: #ffffff;" href="http://studiodmi.com">studiodmi.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="p1">Nailing the kick drum sub sound, the 808, can be really frustrating. <cite><strong style="background: #672885; color: #ffffff;">Producers commit to a sound when I get to hear it and often it’s produced in studios that can’t accurately reproduce what the 808 is actually doing.</strong></cite> I see a few common mistakes. One is tuning the 808 in the wrong key. Or the 808 is tuned too low. If its fundamental is at 30 or 38Hz then there’s not enough low-mid information for it to translate on smaller speakers. So I recommend you pick the right key — that’s the most important element.</p>
<p class="p1">I previously mentioned a few other tips about dealing with the 808, but I’ll finish off with a well known example.</p>
<p class="p1">There was a track called ‘Turn Down For What’ (2015) for DJ Snake and Lil John and everyone was just raving about my processing on the 808. The sound of the 808 was literally a multi-band compressor saturating the second octave only. So you have the attack of the 808, let’s say, 55 or 60Hz, which I leave alone, completely clean. That’s the sine wave component, and I don’t want to change its texture — I’m not going to turn it into a saw tooth or triangle. But an octave higher than that, with the tail, then I start to saturate that part. It means you can hear the 808 envelope on small laptop speakers, but you retain the bottom-end clarity — you get a clean envelope of the sine wave on the first octave under the kick.</p>

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<p class="p1">2023 Grammy Nominations<br />
Chiquis ‘Abeja Reina’ Latin Grammy Winner for Best Banda Music Album<br />
Diplo &amp; Miguel  ‘Don’t Forget My Love’ — Best Dance/Electronic Single<br />
Diplo ‘Diplo’ Album — Best Dance/Electronic Album<br />
Other Grammy Nominations<br />
Alan Walker &amp; Trevor Daniel – ‘Extremes’<br />
Mathame – ‘So What’<br />
Dillon Francis –<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>‘Goodies’<br />
Enrico Sangiuliano – &#8220;Sound of Space’ EP<br />
Major Lazer, Major League DJz, Tiwa Savage &amp; DJ Maphorisa – ‘Koo Koo Fun’<br />
Muni Long &amp; Saweetie – ‘Baby Boo’<br />
Drake – “Honestly, Nevermind’ Album<br />
Diplo &amp; Swae Lee – ‘Tupelo Shuffle’<br />
Sidepiece – ‘Sextacy’<br />
Gareth Emery – ‘Analog’ Album<br />
Wax Motif – ‘On The Low’<br />
Aleyna Tilki – ‘Take It Or Leave It’<br />
Major Lazer – ‘Lean On’<br />
J Balvin – ‘Mi Gente’<br />
Lil Jon – ‘Turn Down for What’<br />
Jason Derulo, David Guetta, Nicki Minaj &amp; Willy William – ‘Goodbye’<br />
BlackPink – ‘Boombayah’ Album</p>
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<strong>Album: </strong><em>Ties</em></p>

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			<p class="p1">As technology evolves and the new Dolby Atmos format gathers momentum, the expectations of mix engineers only multiply. In-demand mixer and Aussie expat, Tristan Hoogland, has risen to this new challenge and reaped the rewards. He talks to AudioTechnology’s Greg Walker about his decision to set up Atmos mixing in his own studio and shares his experience mixing the new Felivand album. Get ready for a bunch of valuable insights into working with the format and the techniques Tristan has learnt from hard-won experience.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>TAKING THE PLUNGE</strong></h4>
<p><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> You’ve mixed a lot of records in stereo. At what point did you decide you needed to take the plunge and get your own Atmos setup in your studio?</p>
<p><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">Tristan Hoogland:</strong></cite> Initially, for Atmos mixing, I was working out of a studio called Electric Ear, which is run by a friend of mine, Gideon Zaretsky. It&#8217;s a beautiful studio: big console, lots of great outboard gear and the Meyer Blue Horn monitors that film people really love. I would rent it once a week or so, because it was still fairly early days for the format. Maybe one out of every 30 songs would get an Atmos mix requested. Then, gradually, the pace started picking up. After about nine months of sporadically renting Gideon’s studio I had two records come in where they said ‘We need them both in Atmos’.</p>
<p class="p1">My manager thought it was probably the right time to jump into setting myself up for Atmos. To be honest, I didn’t really want to spend the money. The challenge of setting up a studio in general is already a headache, let alone working out how to throw another 11 speakers and a sub into a space. That said, it didn’t feel smart to pay rent on an Atmos mix room on top of the rent for my own studio. So, finally, after a lot of research, I decided to invest in Genelec’s SAM system.</p>
<p class="p1">There are lots of costs getting into Atmos. The extra speakers, that’s one thing, but then how do you control the volumes for all of them? Getting a monitor control like the Grace surround sound box costs something like US$8000. That’s just for the monitor controller!</p>
<p class="p1">My instinct told me not to spend that kind of money on a format that still feels a bit speculative. Atmos was definitely having a moment, but I didn&#8217;t really know what the future of it would be. I eventually took the plunge and invested in the Genelec system, in no small part because of the $100 volume controller knob they launched as a companion product. Then I upgraded to an Apogee Symphony so I could get the 16 channels I needed. To my mind that was the most affordable, yet the most professional, solution.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>MAINTAINING THE GLUE</strong></h4>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> </b>So with a project like the Felivand album where you’ve already done stereo mixes, what’s the process? How do you deconstruct your stereo mix and create the Atmos one?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite> </b>The way I work with Atmos mixing has evolved. Many people tend to base their Atmos mixes off the discrete stems printed from the final stereo mixes. So you start a fresh session and then you import individual mixed stems, which contain all the mix bus processing. Then for the most part you’re playing with just panning those stem elements around the room as you see fit.</p>
<p>Initially, that was my approach but <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">after about six months I realised the one thing that I was always struggling with was getting the key elements of the mix to glue together</strong></cite>. The reason for that, is when you play those back in Atmos, <span style="color: #000000;">they’re more open because elements like the drums and bass aren’t getting processed together by whatever&#8217;s on the mix bus, such as compressors, saturators etc.</span></p>
<p class="p1">I really wanted to solve this problem for myself. How do I maintain the ‘glued’ sound but have the flexibility to pan certain elements around?</p>

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			<p class="p1"><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> What was your answer?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite></b> My assistant Hamish Patrick and I worked pretty hard at this and we found another approach in Pro Tools. This is the real benefit of working entirely in the box: we could import the entire stereo session to the top half of a brand new session and then import all the mixed stems to the bottom half. This meant I could start with the stereo mix in the front speakers and then take something like a synth part, mute it in the stereo mix part of the session and unmute it in the stems section and move the synth out into the room.</p>
<p class="p1">Usually what I found would happen is that the majority of the power of the mix needed to come from the left/right front speakers. Those principal, strong and transient-heavy, left and the right sounds are usually the drums, bass, maybe a guitar or something, and definitely the vocal. Those three things in particular. Coincidentally, those three things (drums, bass and vocals) tend to always be the things that drive the mix buss the hardest. So I could mute 80% of the stereo mix and just keep the drums, bass and vocals in there and still feel like I had the energy of the buss processing keeping the mix glued together.</p>
<p class="p1"><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> Right, so you keep the bedrock of drums, bass, and vocals then work up and outwards from there.</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite></b> That’s right. With those key elements in place, I had the freedom to play with all the other more atmospheric elements — the Felivand record has plenty of those. Atmos mixing lends itself to that stuff really nicely. At some points there might be four or five reverbs that I can carefully place in the room.</p>
<p class="p1">Typically I might leave the vocal completely dry in the front speakers, but then I&#8217;ll have the shorter room reverbs slightly back. Then as the space goes further back behind me, I might have a plate reverb there, and the hall reverb at the very back.</p>
<p class="p1">Working like this really helped unlock things for me. Rather than just doing the individual stems, with it feeling a little less glued together, I felt like <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">I could maintain the integrity of the stereo mix and the energy of the bass slamming with the drums and the vocal and any other key elements, but I got all the benefits of the spatial stuff when I needed to.</strong></cite> So that’s one of my key learnings.</p>
<p class="p1">Another benefit of working like this is that I’ve already made all my EQ and compression decisions in the stereo mix. I didn’t need to buy a big Atmos system because I’m mixing on larger ATC SCM50s for the stereo mixes. I can rely on those monitors and I know I&#8217;ve made the right tonal and compression decisions. Then I’m mainly using the other speakers for the panning. I might add some reverbs and other creative atmospheres, but for the most part I’m moving things around and using the space.</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> </b>There are many benefits to having the same mixer do the Atmos mix as opposed to someone else taking over and rebuilding it.</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite> </b>Yeah, exactly. For me it’s less about being precious about my stereo mix, but more that I already know if an artist is going to want more reverb on their vocal. I know because I&#8217;ve already gone through the revisions on the stereo mix whether they&#8217;re ambitious enough to have everything mixed at the back of the room. That part makes it invaluable. I heard a lot of stories of it going to other people and there would be a lot of revisions. For me, to this point, I’ve only had one revision on an Atmos mix. I don’t do these mixes for other people’s projects. That wasn&#8217;t the reason I got into it. I just wanted to do it on my own mixes. I can make calls on things that I know everyone will be happy with and I won’t be in ‘revision land’ forever.</p>

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			<h4 class="p1"><strong>MIXING AT SCALE</strong></h4>
<p class="p1"><b><span class="Apple-converted-space"><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> </span></b>What’s the hardest part of Atmos mixing?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite> </b>The best, but trickiest aspect of Atmos, is that the format is scalable. So the idea is that if I mix in 7.1.4 it can get played back in a 9.2.4 room, or a 5.1 room or a 2.0 room or headphones (which is known more formally as binaural). The idea is you have one mix and it will algorithmically up-mix or down-mix, while doing its best to maintain relative positions and balances made in the original layout. In surround sound, it was a specific speaker setup, whereas Atmos is really an algorithmic fold-down, fold-up thing, unlike when you did the big cinema mix, then you did the 5.1 mix, then the stereo mix for good measure. You don’t have to do that anymore and I think that&#8217;s where things get interesting.</p>
<p class="p1">Pulling a good sound in the room isn&#8217;t hard, but folding down to the headphones is really the challenging part, in my opinion. Getting it to really translate in the headphones is quite tricky because the idea with the binaural is that it’s trying to emulate the experience you get in a speaker environment. The algorithm gets updated and is always being improved but there are certain things about it that are harder to balance against the speakers.</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> </b>So the binaural is a set of Dolby algorithms?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite> </b>Yeah. So this is a Dolby thing and all the depth and placement parameters have a bit of a sound to them as well. When I first started mixing Atmos I couldn’t really hear it in the headphones. Now I can hear it pretty well, but getting those settings right took a while. <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">I would say I spend 60-70% in headphones to get them right.</strong></cite> I get it working really well in the speakers and then I’m constantly going between the headphones and the Airpod Maxes which do all the spatial audio stuff too. I check on those as well because that&#8217;s the way a lot of people are consuming Atmos. If they have Apple Music it’s likely they’ll have a pair of headphones equipped with it.</p>
<p class="p1"><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> It sounds tweaky.</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite></b> It’s a very technical format at the moment. The workflow isn’t straightforward but getting easier as enhancements flow through. We’re all accustomed to checking a stereo mix in the car, then taking what you heard back into the studio for some tweaks. Often you might reach an impasse: ‘do I make it sound better in the car or the studio?’. You’re constantly straddling that line. What’s the compromise here? In the same way, I’ve had Atmos sound amazing in the speakers, and then I put the headphones on and certain elements really pop out in the binaural mix — ‘Wow, who put reverb on the whole mix?!’. So it’s a bit of a compromise at the moment.</p>
<p class="p1"><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> What’s your approach to quality control with the artist?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite></b> With Felivand, she’s in Australia and I’m in my studio in LA. She can&#8217;t come into my studio and listen to the atmospherics. She would have to rent out a room in Australia and that costs money. And so the headphone thing is really important because she can listen to renders of the binaural versions.</p>
<p class="p1">On Apple Music you currently toggle Atmos on or off. It’s what Apple terms Spatial Audio and it’s pretty good. You can switch between mixes on your iPhone and you&#8217;ll hear the differences, some a bit more surprising than others.</p>
<p class="p1">It&#8217;s kind of the Wild West out there at the moment in terms of how the DSPs work with it. Tidal has it. Amazon music has it. Spotify is yet to adopt it and a lot of people are watching to see how that goes but Apple certainly is doubling down on Atmos. <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">Even that is a moving target because the way Apple Music sounds today is different to how it sounded a year ago.</strong></cite> I guess they’re taking the feedback of listeners, engineers and trying to incorporate that into the codec. So it’s tricky. It really is tricky.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>REGRETS?</strong></h4>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">AT:</strong></cite> </b>Now that Atmos is gaining a bit more momentum, are you happy you took the plunge and got involved?</p>
<p class="p1"><b><cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">TH:</strong></cite> </b>It was definitely worthwhile and I’m genuinely glad I did it. Any opportunity to upskill in audio is worthwhile. Even though it was a fairly big outlay, <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">I knew it would be a missed opportunity not to do it, and it’s now paid for itself.</strong></cite> Labels and managers don’t want to have to ask to get the stems and then send them to some other guy for the Atmos mix — that’s a really big thing right there. You’re always trying to find those one-percenters that make you stand out as somebody people want to go to. I’m always looking for that. <cite><strong style="background: #33e5e5; color: #000000;">This is the first time in a long, long time that there’s been a lot of investment by big companies into the audio engineering side of music</strong></cite>, and because this format is scalable, it still has the momentum.</p>
<p class="p1">I know the Dolby folk really well. They were really helpful to me setting up my room. Ceri Thomas, who now works at Apple, is a great guy and it&#8217;s been really cool getting to know those people and hear how they think about the format. We&#8217;ll see where it goes.</p>
<p class="p1">I really don&#8217;t know what the longevity of it all is, but I think it&#8217;s very safe to say that some version of this is here to stay purely with all the VR gaming possibilities. It&#8217;s got to somehow stick around.</p>

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<p class="p1">Felivand has got a lot of soul in her music. It’s neo soul but with a lot of programmed stuff and the production sounds quite modern. To be honest, I’m just kind of obsessed with her voice. I think she could sing over anything and that was always the big thing for me.</p>
<p class="p1">The majority of mixing I do is very, very produced by the time it gets to me, including the vocal effects. I’ll often get lead vocals slammed and with reverbs all in the one stem and I just have to do the best I can with it. Often all those choices have been made for me. Meanwhile, Felivand gave me a lot of free rein to take liberties with all those kind of things. She was like, ‘Just use the dry vocals and you build your sound for me and we’ll do it that way.’ I was doing triage, cleaning up, and then also full tonal-character-building stuff. And that was really fun because I got to pull out all the different effects we have available.</p>
<p class="p1">In particular, in the song ‘Where Were You’, which is the earlier single, I really went to the wall with effects. It’s not drenched in reverb, but the effects are very tailored to the song. After that song did so well for her she was really happy for me to work like that on all the songs. We were doing the stereo versions. Everything was going great and it was around the 95% mark. We were just about to start wrapping when the label, Sweat It Out, got in touch to say, ‘Hey, we’ve started getting into this Atmos thing. Did you want to be part of that?’ I think by that stage I&#8217;d done about a year of Atmos mixing so it was really good timing.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="p1">Ever since I came to The States I’ve mixed entirely in the box. I had to get super comfortable with a mobile rig when I was engineering and I just got so good at working in the box that it actually became more fun. I didn’t miss the headaches of all the analogue stuff. I used to have SSL bus compressors and EQs and when it came to doing revisions I would sometimes be a little lazy or I’d forget to set it completely the right way. It just became such a frustrating thing because I really pride myself on being reliable and efficient for labels, for A&amp;Rs and for managers. These people don’t care what you&#8217;re using, but they also don’t care for excuses either. I don&#8217;t want to be the person who sends the second email saying, ‘Oh, can you ignore that first mix. What I sent had the wrong thing on it.’ I just don’t have time for that. I’m all about how how I can finish something the fastest.</p>
<p class="p1">I truly believe the reason a mix doesn’t feel right has nothing to do with the equipment I was using that day. It was all about how I felt personally, like maybe I didn’t get enough sleep or whatever. That’s going to be a far more significant factor in the outcome of that day’s work than whether or not I had a hardware Neve 1073 on the vocal.</p>
<p class="p1">I also have a really powerful laptop, so I can be at home cooking dinner, and I’ll get the call saying ‘We need to get this ingested by tonight. Can we have the vocal up?’. I don’t need to go back to the studio and turn my life upside down to make that happen. It takes me two seconds to do it. I can shut the laptop, go back to cooking and still get to sleep at the right time.</p>
<p class="p1">I feel like I can live a much healthier life because of that. For me that’s become a priority. I like conducting myself in a very reliable way, especially with people who don’t have the luxury of time for mistakes. I’m fully aware I work in a service industry and that sometimes means you have to do 20 revisions — sometimes that&#8217;s just the gig. I want to be employed, I want to be doing this for a long time and I want the artist to be happy and the labels to come back and say, ‘Great job’.</p>
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<p class="p3">4 channels – Stereo (ATC’s, NS10’s + Auratone 5C’s)<br />
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			<p class="p1">The ongoing changes in digital technology have inevitably led to different working methods. In the beginning of the century, when more and more records were created on home setups by people who didn’t have advanced recording skills, it resulted in a dramatic dip in the sonic quality of production sessions, and mixers became superstars tasked with rescuing and upgrading these recordings so they sounded like actual records.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">Fast forward nearly two decades, and the engineering skills of producers, engineers and even many artists have increased to the point that many records made on home setups sound great, and rough mixes are almost like the end product. It means that mixers are no longer the heroic trouble-shooters of old, and instead have to follow the rough.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">In the words of top mixer Jesse Ray Ernster, it means that mixing sometimes becomes “akin to mastering,” with the mixer doing small tweaks here and there, and not always having the liberty to impose his or her own vision. Ernster should know, as he has only been around for a few years at the top of the mix firmament, with Grammy Awards for his work with Burna Boy and Kanye.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>FIRST DOJA CAT MIX</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Because of his recent experiences, Ernster is well aware of the current working methods in the music industry. It was therefore a welcome surprise for him when he was approached last year to do a project for which more input was required of him, including some of the musician and production skills that he also possesses.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">“I was watching the Grammy nomination ceremony last year (2021), and I was really impressed with Doja Cat’s performance,” recalls Ernster. “I said to my wife, ‘I’d love to work with her.’ To my utter amazement, that same night I receive an Instagram DM from her producer, Yeti Beats, saying that they had this new Afrobeat record for Doja, and would I have a go at mixing it.’”</p>
<p class="p1">The song was called ‘Woman,’ and Ernster had been approached because of his Grammy-winning Afrobeat mixes for Burna Boy. “I mixed the song, and then there was no news for six weeks, and I thought I lost the job. When I finally did hear back, they said that Doja loved the mix, and asked if I would finish it. I also mixed three more songs for her.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">All four of Ernster’s mixes ended up on Doja Cat’s album <i>Planet Her, </i>which was released in June 2021, and became a big hit across the, eh, planet. The first three singles from the album were mixed by the world’s number one pop mixer, Serban Ghenea. The Ernster-mixed ‘Woman’ was the fourth single release, and achieved high chart positions in dozens of countries—and went 2x platinum in Australia. By early May it had 800 million Spotify streams and 100 million YouTube views.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>UNFINISHED BUSINESS</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">The point of the mix process for ‘Woman,’ says Ernster, is that he received what essentially was a recording session from Yeti Beats and engineer Rian O’Connel Lewis. “This wasn’t like most of the jobs I get where they spent a lot of time working on the rough mix, and you’re asked to match it. Instead the mix for ‘Woman’ was essentially a blank slate. They laid down the tracks, and Doja’s vocals, and everyone liked the vibe, did some mixing, and then they more or less stopped.”</p>
<p class="p1">“Doja’s vocals were tuned and comped, with some minimal EQ and dynamics. They had also stacked Doja’s parts and then automated some delay and reverb effects in places. But overall the song was not mixed together. There was a general understanding that everybody was ready for the song to be mixed properly and for the vocals to be tightened up. They gave me some liberties, and I got to add a few production things.”</p>
<p class="p1">“The production was very percussion-heavy, which is what Afrobeats is all about, and my job was mostly to get the vocals mixed, rework the kick drum, and then create an Afrobeat mix. I definitely dug in when I mixed this song. Doja’s voice does not require a lot of processing, because she is truly a complete master of her craft. What I focused on was some overall muddiness that is generally inherent when you stack many vocals together. At any given time in the song there are vocal doubles stacked left and right, and in the hooks there are doubles plus harmonies. I had to go in and control some of the frequencies and balances and make sure everything sat together nicely.”</p>
<p class="p1">“The main other thing I did was replace the kick, as I did not think the sound they had used worked. I asked the producer’s permission and he agreed. I have a folder full of Afrobeat style kicks, and I found a good blend of two different kicks. One of them is giving me a little bit of the boom and the other one is giving a little bit of that rattle and presence in the top end.”</p>
<p class="p1">“With regards to my production contributions, I added fader and delay throws. Most of all, in the intro of the song there were originally several bars of just the beat, and then it went straight to the hook, seemingly out of nowhere. There was a real opportunity for a transition there. So I took the word ‘woman,’ looped it a bunch of times, ran some obscure reverb and delay processing, and then did another vocal loop with a reverse swell next to it, and placed it just before the hook comes in. What was cool is that this influenced the CGI in the music video. That swell sound happens when Doja appears out of smoke on the table.”</p>

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<p class="p1">Jesse Ray Ernster was born in Winnipeg, Canada, but grew up in Minneapolis. He learned a lot about working in the studio from his producer father, played in local bands. Ernster ended up teaching engineering and mixing at the Minneapolis Media Institute, but when it closed, he moved to LA. He managed to get a job as a tape op at NRG in Hollywood, and while working his way up, managed to get a session with Tyga in NightBird Studios in West Hollywood. When Kanye West walked in, Ernster expressed his admiration, and before he knew it, he was invited to fly to Uganda to record West there. Following this, Ernster signed with Bad Habit management, who also manage Burna Boy. The mixer worked on Burna Boy’s albums <i>African Giant</i> (2019) and the Grammy-winning <i>Twice as Tall </i>(2021). It earned Ernster a reputation as an expert in Afrobeat, even as he also mixes pop, hip-hop and R&amp;B.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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			<h4 class="p1"><strong>MONITORING IN MIXLAND</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Ernster conducts all his mixes in his Mixland studio in LA. At this point one would expect a straightforward description of his studio, but for some reason his mix environment changes continuously. Early in the pandemic he could be found mixing in an Airbnb with sea view, using a laptop and a headset. He later on mixed ‘Woman’ in his bedroom. He has also moved house several times in recent years, which means that he has built several incarnations of Mixland.</p>
<p class="p1">In addition, the studio’s design itself is rather out of the ordinary, with Ernster preferring to mix with a keyboard and track pad in his lap, so he does not have to deal with the reflections that come from an office desk. He also has built tons of tube traps, to create close to dead acoustics around his monitors, while the rear of his current studio is treated with less absorption, resulting in a live-end-dead-end room.</p>
<p class="p1">“I built all of these big, 27 inch diameter absorption tubes,” explains Ernster. “They are copies of the Isothermal ASC Attack Wall tube traps, with a vented design where they take the sound in, and convert the energy into heat so it just dissipates. It leaves the room very accurate. I built them for my previous studio, and when we moved house I just brought all the tubes to this place. I want the area around the speakers to be completely anechoic, just loaded into the wall, with no resonance. It is like I am sitting in a hi-fi room, just me and the speakers and the power amps on the floor. It is incredible for translation. I hear exactly what clients send me.”</p>
<p class="p1">“I have a PDF guide for anybody who is interested in making these tube traps on my Mixland website, on which we also offer plugins, and other nerdy stuff. Right now we&#8217;re working on a DIY guide for Yamaha NS10 modification. The NS10 modification consists of updated crossovers, which cost about $70 per pair. The mod is a more thoughtful design with better components and a better placed crossover.”</p>
<p class="p1">“The cheap crossover they originally put in results in a horrendous overlap and a big bump around 1.6kHz. This mod alleviates that, but the speakers still sound like NS10s: fast with great micro-dynamics. They are just a little more useful without that snarly, harsh mid-range. The mod also extends the top and the low end. When I place the NS10s closer together, they go down to 40Hz, because the low end couples. These days, a lot of cats working with NS10s use them in a boombox configuration, i.e. very closely together.”</p>
<p class="p1">“I mixed ‘Woman,’ on un-modded NS10s in a temporary studio within a tiny bedroom, with some acoustic treatment. I currently still mix on NS10s, and also on my Strauss SE<span class="s1">‑</span>MF<span class="s1">‑</span>4 monitors. I now have 16 NS10s in my studio, because I am building an Atmos setup! I have an old Apogee Symphony as my I/O, and hope to upgrade to the Symphony Mk II soon. I also have the Grace M905 monitor controller and a whole bunch of other gear that I don’t use when I mix. When I did the ‘Woman’ mix in my bedroom I was using the Crane Song Solaris DAC.”</p>

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<p class="p1">Ernster mixed ‘Woman’ in May 2021, and explains that his process involves one of his two assistants prepping the sessions. “I had an assistant, Noah ‘Mix Giant’ Glassman, who played a large role in helping to prep this song. He has experienced a lot of success from working on this. In general, the assistant will make a new session with my template, and then he imports all the session data from the session that is sent to us.”</p>
<p class="p1">“With ‘Woman,’ we retained their settings, master bus, and I/O, everything, and my template lives in there just in case I need it. I have a bunch of<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>auxiliaries that give me really quick options, like if I need a slapback on the vocal I can really quickly reach for it. So I used most of what they had, added my own treatments, and I built my own master bus.”</p>
<p class="p1">“My assistant’s job is to colour code and lay everything out in the session, and he also lines up the reference mix, using the ADPTR Metric AB plugin, and listens measure by measure, section by section, all the way through the song, to ensure that the song in the session is playing back exactly the same as the approved reference bounce. If anything sounds remotely different, we call the engineer or producer and we politely request correct files. But in this scenario everything sounded great and was perfect.”</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>NO SOLO</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Unusually, Ernster mixed ‘Woman’ with his assistant virtually looking over his shoulder. “He was present via Zoom and AudioMovers, because pandemic numbers were high. Generally, I mix on my own, but in this scenario, because it was a big mix and a big opportunity, and he was trying to absorb as much information as possible, he watched me mix and of course commented sometimes. It was fun to have a co-pilot.”</p>
<p class="p1">“My mix process is primarily comprised of listening to everything at the same time. I will solo when I really need to focus on something, but in this day and age mixes are very loud and glued together at the mix bus, and when you are hearing the kick in the mix, you are not hearing the way it is EQ-ed, you hearing the kick rub against everything else, grinding into saturation plug-ins, with several decibels of gain reduction and clipping and limiting. <cite><strong style="background: #7523c6; color: #ffffff;">There is a chemistry of distortion happening that is not represented when you are in solo, so for most of the time I work with everything in.”</strong></cite></p>
<p class="p1">“I will generally listen to the record twice, to get an idea of what is going on, and I’ll run around the session, also observing gain staging and the way things are behaving. When I get stems I might start with clip gaining every single track down in the session, but that was not the case with this session. In my head I make a priority list of what I think prevents the song from really working, and what needs doing to improve it.”</p>
<p class="p1">“Once I finish this process, I will gain stage the mix and set up my mix bus based on what the kick is doing. Generally, the kick peaks will be digging most in the mix bus, and I need my mix to be as loud as the reference. So I will get the mix bus going early. You could call that a top-down approach, but what I do on the mix bus is pretty minimal. Once I have added the mix bus I will jump into the session, and get down to the nitty-gritty.”</p>

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<p class="p1">Ernster explained the nitty-gritty with several screen shots in hand.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">“So I would have begun with the kick to get that low end balance working because the kick and the percussion drive any Afrobeat record. The OG.dup2 track is my kick sample, and c kit is the parallel. The sample has the FabFilter Pro-Q3, notching at 50Hz and 500Hz, the Waves Factory Spectre, adding high mids and high end, and the Oeksound Spiff is really pumping, with the depth set to 8.5, which is cranking it way too far. But the mix is turned down to 36%. Spiff is adding some really quick, very initial, poppy transients, mostly in the low-end and the low mids.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">“The Spectre is the best-sounding boosting saturator. Generally I will get surgical and remove resonances with the Pro-Q3, and I will follow that up with a boost surrounding those areas with the Spectre to bring some of the life back. If you only get surgical you are just removing information and a lot of the time your mix can be left feeling a bit unclear or weak.”</p>
<p class="p1">“Engineers have the tendency to excessively remove resonances with surgical filter cuts, and the mix can be left feeling a bit unclear, weak, and most-importantly, different from the approved mix that the artist’s team has grown accustomed to. I think it is absolutely integral to go back in after the surgical cuts to reimpose some of that information and energy back into other areas of the frequency spectrum, in order to refocus and reorganise where the instrument’s presence and body is placed within the mix.”</p>
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<p class="p1">“The parallel kick has my Mixland Rubber Band compressor, which at the time was still in the beta stage. It’s the snappiest compressor ever made! The harder it gets pushed, the more tension there is, and the harder it pushes back. It is this really incredible sounding punchy compressor that works on anything, from drums to vocals. There is also volume automation on the parallel kick, because after a while I realized that the drum level was either too loud or too quiet in certain spots, so I needed to compensate for that.”</p>
<p class="p1">“I had similar volume automation on the rim snare. In the choruses the song is very thick and intense, so the snare and kick needed to be up. Simply leaving the snare at one level was not working. Doja&#8217;s first vocal was buried in the verses, and was unintelligible with the level of snare, so I took it down in the verses. This record was really dynamic, because the verses are relatively quiet, and the hooks are pretty loud. So the drums are coming up and down in volume. It’s something I learned from Tom Lord-Alge: balances need to change between sections to make songs sound good.”</p>
<p class="p1">“In general, my personal preference is to tuck the transient of the snare right underneath the consonants of the vocals, but in Afrobeat it is simply incorrect for a song to have drums that sit below the vocal. It is a signature that the percussion and the top end of the rim shots and the snares are very high up in the mix. The fans and creators of Afrobeat consider the percussion to be the driving force of their records. It is integral to the style of music truly speaking.”</p>
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<p class="p1">Ernster continued his narrative with the bass, before concluding with his vocal treatments, and details of his mix bus. “The main bass has some surgical EQ from the Pro-Q3, and then there’s the Pro-MB, which I did not use in the end. There are two parallel width tracks, SBass and SBass Duplicate. One of them has the Air Chorus and the other the Valhalla Space Modulator, and they are both high-passed at 1kHz.”</p>
<p class="p1">“There’s also a SoundToys Decapitator bus, which was to re-add some growliness. I cut out many of the lower mid resonances, the 200Hz stuff, and I used the Decapitator to focus the presence around 800Hz to 1kHz in a distorted kind of way so it cuts through better. I also added my LM Explode sample, which gives a cinematic effect that I add to many songs.”</p>
<p class="p1">“I receive a lot of questions regarding Doja’s vocal chain. You can see it on the screen shot: Pro-Q3, Pro-MB, Spectre, Mixland Tilt EQ, and Mixland Rubber Band compressor. But it will not help people make their artist sound like Doja, because they’re not working with Doja’s vocals. You can attempt to use these settings as a starting point, but I would encourage users to listen carefully and tweak according to their artist’s unique voice and their specific processing needs.”</p>
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<p class="p1">“The Mixland Tilt is another plugin that I designed. We modelled it on several passive equalisers that we enjoy, and made a great shelving EQ. It gets the best of everything. It is completely gorgeous, sparkly in the top end, and explosive and big in the bottom, and then you have a ‘grit’ fader, which drives the tube sound. The harder you drive the grit, the more your boosts and your cuts will have the flavour of saturation. It gives a very delicious texture.”</p>
<p class="p1">“The reverse echo track is the one I spoke about earlier, that has that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>reverse thing in the intro just as the vocals come in. There is volume automation that goes up, and there is also a Pro-Q3 low-pass filter that starts low and then is automated to go higher. The Futz box, which does distorted speaker emulation, gives a filtered, focused, mid-range sound. There’s also a LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven reverb. We also talked about the delay throws, and one comes from the Kush Goldplate, and another from the Valhalla Delay.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="p1">Ernster’s mix bus chain consists of the Pro-Q3, the Acustica Purple2 EQ, the Waves PAZ-Analyzer, the Waves Abbey Road TG Mastering Chain, the FabFilter Pro-L and the SIR Audio Tools StandardCLIP. “The TG Mastering Chain is just providing some stereo width with the spreader knob. It is magical. The Acustica is giving a nice boost at 16kHz, and an attenuation at 10kHz, to help mitigate the frequencies that come with that 16kHz shelf. So these were just for some overall shaping of the sound.”</p>
<p class="p1">“The Pro-L into the Standard Clip are there for loudness. I sent mastering engineer Mike Bozzi a non-limited and a limited version,<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>and I do not know which version he mastered. The non-limited version had the Pro-L and Clip removed. Some of the push and knock of the kick in the final release was the result of the colouration of his master, which I felt worked really well, and helped it perform on smaller speakers. It also added some bounce to the vocals, that worked well with the rhythm. There was something really great going on with the subtle amount of compression that he added.”</p>
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			<p class="p1">When Lil Nas X broke through in 2019 with his megahit ‘Old Town Road’, there was incredulity that it was possible for an unsigned artist to make it big via TikTok, and also speculation that the barely 20-year-old rapper was peaking too quickly, too soon, and would prove to be a one-hit wonder. Less than three years later, he’s had a No.1 hit album, ‘<i>Montero’, </i>a hit-EP, ‘<i>7’</i>, and seven hit songs, including two No.1s, totalling 31x platinum sales in the US and 19x platinum sales in Australia.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">All this is a stunning triumph for Lil Nas X, and a sign of the future of the music industry. What’s more, he’s achieved it with insanely catchy tracks that sound different from everything else in the charts at the moment. A case in point is the American and Australian No.1 ‘Industry Baby’. Produced by production duo Take A Daytrip and Kanye West, the song is propelled by a unique and baroque-sounding horn section that underpins Lil Nas X’s rapping and massed vocals, plus a rap by Jack Harlow.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">In another possible change of guard, ‘Industry Baby’ was mixed by Patrizio ‘Teezio’ Pigliapoco. As everyone knows who follows what happens in the hit music industry, the top songs in the world, particularly the US, are mixed by a very small group of top mixers. First among them is Serban Ghenea, followed by Manny Marroquin, and after that pair, half a dozen mixers with fairly equal standing. Ghenea and Marroquin mixed four songs each on ‘<i>Montero’.</i> Pigliapoco mixed two, and the fact that he mixed one of the two main singles is pretty unusual.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">Talking via Zoom from his studio in Los Angeles, Pigliapoco explains that he’s been incredibly lucky, as the pandemic was for him a period of “nothing but incredible growth! Until 2019, I worked mainly as Chris Brown’s engineer and mixer, but since then I started mixing full-time, and 2020 was great and 2021 even better! I have four Grammy nominations for the 2022 ceremony. [Album of the Year for Lil Nas X and H.E.R, Best Melodic Performance for ‘Industry Baby’, and Best R&amp;B album for H.E.R.] Hopefully this year will be another improvement!”</p>

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			<h4 class="p1"><strong>RISING FROM A SOLID BASS</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Pigliapoco was born in Los Angeles in 1990 from Argentinian parents, and grew up playing bass. When he was around 16, he recognised that the future was going to be digital, and he ended up interning at a label and recording studio not far from his school. It inspired him to attend The Los Angeles Recording School, and he graduated there with honours. During his time at the school he got a job engineering for rapper Juicy J, at Wyman studios, where the owner, Tip Wyman, became a mentor.</p>
<p class="p1">At 21, Pigliapoco signed a publishing deal with BMG as an engineer and producer. He worked with Cheryl Cole on her album ‘<i>A Million Lights’ </i>(2012), and with Fergie on her album ‘<i>Double Dutchess’ </i>(2017). He also worked with Josh Gudwin (engineer and mixer for Justin Bieber), and in 2015 Pigliapoco became the regular engineer for Chris Brown. He eventually graduated to also finding the beatmakers and producers for Brown’s albums, doing production, and mixing the final tracks.</p>
<p class="p1">Pigliapoco still works with Brown, but has over the last two years spread his wings and has mixed tracks for an impressive number of artists, among them The Kid Laroi, Pop Smoke, Gunna, DJ Khaled, Polo G, G-Eazy, H.E.R., Mooski, Chris Brown, and, of course Little Nas X, which gave him his first Billboard No.1, and two Grammy nominations. Pigliapoco clearly is breaking into the elite group of star mixers.</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>HYBRID STUDIO LOW DOWN</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">One result of Pigliapoco’s success is that he’s been able to buy a new house in Los Angeles, where he has installed a state-of-the-art hybrid studio. “My monitors are the PMC 6-2,” he explains. “I used to have the PMC 226 monitors, and the 6-2’s are essentially double. They have incredible low end. I think they go down to 10Hz or something like that, so I don’t need a sub. These things are insane! My room is 10x15ft, and I have the low end down by 7dB to make it work in the room. I use the Grace m905 monitor controller.</p>
<p class="p1">“I have a Mac with Pro Tools and my interface is the Lynx Aurora 24 I/O. This allows me to use channels 1 and 2 for my stereo output, 3 and 4 for the rough mix, 5 and 6 go to my D.W Fearn VT5 EQ, 7 and 8 go to my Undertone Audio Unfairchild 670M II, and <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">9 to 24 go to my Neve 5057 Orbit 16-channel summing mixer. I send eight stereo pairs to the Neve, which are the group tracks near the top of my Pro Tools sessions:</strong></cite> drum bus, music bus, effect bus, and vocal buses.</p>

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			<p class="p1">“I have the outboard because of the sonics. It gives me a sound that I cannot get any other way. For example, the VT5 is on the insert of my master bus, and it takes out any abrasiveness in the top end. It’s incredible. Often when you are mixing, you are struggling to tame things that are too bright. Particularly when you are dealing with vocals today — people often boost the top end too much. Just running the signal through the VT5 flat corrects that. Rather than fighting with EQs and multiband compressors in the box, it’s a lot easier just to run your entire mix through the VT5 and a lot of that work is done for you.</p>
<p class="p1">“I use the Unfairchild on the vocals, as my first vocal compressor, and then I commit that. Songs tend to have verse, pre-hook and hook sections, and usually a lead vocal is on two tracks, because sometimes things will overlap. So I’ll work one vocal track of the verse on Channel 7 and the other vocal track on Channel 8, and then I’ll commit that, which frees up these two channels to work on the pre- or the hook lead vocal.”</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>BABY STEPS: MIX WALK THROUGH</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Pigliapoco illustrates his process with his mix of ‘Industry Baby’. He recalls, “The production session was done in Logic, and I was sent audio files that were all printed. So there were no plugins. I asked the producers, Take A Daytrip, to send me the lead vocals with only Antares AutoTune applied, and the effects printed separately. <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">When people send you tracks with effects like reverb, when you start compressing and EQ-ing them, the reverb changes. Having the effects separate gives me more control.</strong></cite> In general I did use many of the delays and reverbs that they sent, because they wanted specific delays in specific places.</p>
<p class="p1">“I loaded all their audio files into Pro Tools, which made it easier, because actually, receiving a session this big as a Pro Tools session would have been really difficult. It would have been a lot of work to make that fit my workflow. There would have been plugins everywhere, and AutoTune on every track, and it would have become an enormous session. Instead I could import the audio in a fresh Pro Tools session, in which I could work more cleanly.</p>
<p class="p1">“They also sent me a rough, which sounded pretty good, as is the case when you’re dealing with high calibre artists and producers. I normally follow the rough very closely. In fact, I reference the rough all the time. I will listen to the rough for 20 seconds, just to get an idea of how much low end there is, how much compression is happening overall, how bright the vocals are, and how loud the mix is. If the mix is printed at -5 LUFS, I am going to have a really tough time getting my mix to sound really good and dynamic and as loud.</p>
<p class="p1">“Once I get the idea of the rough, I pull in the drums and I start referencing back and forth between the rough and my mix, constantly, to make sure I get a similar blend. Are the kick and the snare in the same place? Of course, that does not mean that if something sounds too loud for me, that I won’t turn it down. After the drums I pull in the bass, and listen again to the rough. Where is the bass? How loud is it? Is my bass louder? How loud is the music?</p>
<p class="p1">“My version is going to sound way better, it is going to hit harder, it is going to be more dynamic, but as a general rule, the blend needs to match the rough. If your 808 or bass is not hitting as hard, your mix won’t feel as big and dynamic. So referencing is the most important thing. I don’t want to go in the wrong direction.</p>
<p class="p1">“If the strings are the main part in the song, and I have them too low, the energy will go down. <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">I also need to control the vocals. Usually they are too bright in the rough, so I need to find that middle place where they are bright enough, but not abrasive</strong></cite>. In other words: balance what they have, and make it sound better.</p>
<p class="p1">“Sometimes people tell me: ‘don’t listen to the rough. The engineer did not get it right, do your thing.’ Of course, I’m happy to do that, but what they don’t know is that I will still reference the rough, just to get an idea of where things are. Think about it: maybe the A&amp;R tells me not to listen to the rough, but an artist who does not have as much knowledge of mixing may like the rough. If I’m lucky, I get to speak with the artist as well, and they can tell me what they think of the rough. I have to have all these things in my head when I’m mixing.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>

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			<h4 class="p1"><strong>OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE ORDER</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Pigliapoco’s mix session of ‘Industry Baby’ is huge, about 200 tracks, and very well-organised. At the top are his master track, called Neve Return, Mix Buss, Mix prints, Rough Mix, the aforementioned eight groups that are sent to the Neve and his aux tracks. This entire section is part of his template. Below this are the audio tracks and some associated aux tracks: drums, bass, music, vocals, and a 90-track, four-bar horn outro in pink.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">“I am very OCD,” explains Pigliapoco. “Everything has to be very well organised. The master fader is at the top, because it is the master! Everything at the bottom feeds the tracks at the top. I don’t like having things like aux effects tracks at the bottom, as many people have. So the audio tracks feed the yellow bus tracks, which go to my Neve 5057, and then come back on my Neve Return, which is sent to my mix bus track.”</p>
<p class="p1">Before elaborating further on the top of his mix session, Pigliapoco follows the signal flow of his session, and his mix process, by first discussing his treatments on the audio tracks. “I put the tracks in the order in which I mix them, so I’m literally working my way down as I am mixing. So first there are my drums, in blue, because I start with them. They are the most important part of the session. And at the top of the drums is the kick.</p>
<p class="p1">“A lot of my work on the drums and other audio tracks is done with the Fabfilter Pro-Q3, which is my starting point for EQ, and I tend to notch out frequencies I don’t want. I always start with that, before I start boosting frequencies. First take out the bad stuff! I also use the iZotope Neutron 3 for this, which I adore. It is really easy to use,<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>and allows you to split the compression into bands. So <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">if the transient part of the kick is too bright, I can split the compressor into two frequencies and affect the low end and the high end differently.</strong></cite><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p1">“Those are my main two plugins on many audio tracks. There’s also a Waves Doubler on a reversed cymbal, because I wanted it wider. The Audio tracks usually feed the aux group tracks below them, and all drums go to the Drums bus track, on which I have the Acustica Audio Mike Dean Gainstation, doing 0.1 on the Clipper, which seems very minimal, but it makes a big difference, and adds drive. After that I have the Softube Weiss limiter, which I use to push the volume on the drums. I also have the iZotope Ozone, but I did not use it in this case. I love the iZotope stuff, because it’s really clean and transparent. <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">I use many plugins, and don’t want too many that add colour, otherwise you end up with a mess.</strong></cite>”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>BASS TRACK HACKS</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Pigliapoco continues his exposé by tackling the six bass tracks, which are coloured brown. Three of which have 808s. “Usually there are only two bass tracks, but there are quite a few here! Most of these low-end tracks again have the Pro-Q3, and with the 808s I’m often notching around 200Hz and 400Hz, where they can sound boxy. In this case there’s a 1dB notch at 59Hz and at 104Hz. After that I’m using the Avid lo-fi plugin for some distortion and then I throw on the Waves MV2 Limiter, boosting both high level and low level. After that there’s a Neutron 3.”</p>
<p class="p1">The green music tracks consist of horns, which are in part played, despite many suspecting a looped sample. “Yeah, it’s a very extensive arrangement, with trombones, tubas, trumpets, saxophones and so on. I again use the Pro-Q3 extensively, with tons of notches to take away some abrasive frequencies. You can see this in the image of the Pro-Q3 on the main horn loop, which is the first green track below the bass tracks. That horn loop also has the Celestian Psychoacoustic Bus Processor, which is adding harmonics with the Teal Staging Harmonics knob, and widens the signal with the Yellow Stereo Elliptic knob. After that there’s some compression from the Waves CLA-3A.</p>

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			<p class="p1">“All horns go to a Horns Group aux, and then to the Music bus at the top. I don’t normally have plugins on the Music bus because there tend to be so many different elements in the music, and I prefer to treat each separately. Underneath the Horns Group aux is a track called Outro, in blue, which is the submix of the 60-track entire horn section at the bottom of the session in pink. I had to commit that down and then deactivate the original tracks, because the session would otherwise have been too big. Also, the blend was already there, so I did not want to disturb that.</p>
<p class="p1">“Below the Outro track are some tracks in brown, which are vocal effects, like ad libs, and they were more part of the music, which is why I placed them there. They go to the BGV group bus at the top. Below this are Nil Nas X’s main sung vocals in light blue, one hook track and three verse tracks, and two tracks down, in dark blue, his rap (verse2). They all they have largely the same signal chain, but settings change between the verse and the hook.”</p>
<p class="p1">“In the prehook (vpreld) I was cutting less low end. Because there are no drums at that point, I left more body in the vocals. <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">Whenever an element drops out of the mix, other elements become heightened. So if the kick drops out, all of a sudden you are going to be more focused on the more high-end elements and there’s space for low end.</strong></cite> You have to balance things, and to do this I used an extra plugin here, the FabFilter Pro-MB multiband compressor.</p>

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			<p class="p1">“For the rest, the UAD Pultec EQP -1A does a 10-12kHz boost, and I have the Waves CLA76, because I wanted a compressor that was really aggressive and dirty, and pumped. I don’t usually use the CLA76, but this song needed a compressor that was really aggressive and dirty. They wanted the vocal to sound like that. Today, I use the Unfairchild at the point where the CLA76 is in this session, but I did not have that unit at the time I mixed this.</p>
<p class="p1">“Another important plugin I used on the vocals was Overloud’s Gem Dopamine Audio Enhancer. It heightens and boosts the top end in a nice way. After that I put on the Oeksound Soothe 2, to tame all the top end I just boosted. There’s also a de-esser and the Neutron, which is out taking some bottom end.</p>
<p class="p1">“And finally there’s the Pro-C2 compressor, which is usually the last compressor I have in the chain. It’s another plugin that is intuitive and easy-to-use, which is very important to me. If it is a complicated plug-in I don’t really want to deal with it. There is a lot of stuff going on already as it is, and to have to learn something that is overly complicated is not worth the time.</p>
<p class="p1">“There are three sends on these lead vocals, one to my Seventh Heaven aux effects track, which has the LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven Convolution Reverb. It mimics the Bricasti. There’s also a send to my effects aux track with the Valhalla Vintage Verb, and another to an aux with the SoundToys Microshift. I blend my reverbs, instead of relying on one reverb to give me specific sound. I will often also EQ the reverb afterwards. On the Seventh Heaven I cut all the low end information, because it was clouding up the mix a little bit.”</p>
<h4 class="p1"><strong>VOCALS: STACKS ON</strong></h4>
<p class="p1">Below Lil Nas X’s lead vocals are stacks and stacks of background vocals, and below them, at the bottom of the session and just above the deactivated tracks, is Jack Harlow’s rap. “As I mentioned earlier, the audio tracks are sent to the aux track below them. There are tons and tons of vocal layers. The hook alone is reinforced with eight vocals. In this session, rather than work on individual tracks, I processed the aux group tracks, and tried to preserve the blends and vibe that was there. <cite><strong style="background: #ffa05f; color: #000000;">I am boosting less at 10kHz on the stacks, because I want the lead vocals to be prominent, and for the backgrounds to have a warmer sound.</strong></cite> There’s also a Neutron 3 cutting around 2.5kHz, again to soften the stacks.”</p>

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			<p class="p1">Returning to the top of the session, Pigliapoco elaborates on the rough mix and mix bus tracks. “The red track with the pink clip called ‘Industry12324808’ is the rough mix, which came in at -9.6 LUFS, which is what I want. I always want my mix to be louder than the rough, and if the rough is extremely loud it leaves me no space to work with. When I put the vocals in, I’m already at -9 LUFS, and from there I only need another -2 dB. I can actually come in at -.5.5 LUFS before distortion, boosting everything little by little.</p>

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			<p class="p1">“On the mix bus I have the Acustica Audio Ruby, which is the<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>plugin version of my VT5. I loved the Ruby so much that I got the real deal after I mixed this song! After that I have a Pro-Q3, and then the Brainworx bx_digital V3 EQ, to notch out some weird frequencies. It is a great piece of gear. Finally there’s the Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor, and then the UAD Sonnox Oxford Limiter, for volume. I take that off when I send the mix for mastering.</p>
<p class="p1">“‘Industry Baby’ was mastered by Eric Lagg. When Pigliapoco sent it off, did he think the song would blow up like it did? “No. I know of course that every song Lil Nas releases does well, so I anticipated it being a hit, but not that it’d go to No.1 in the US. It’s been incredible, and I am blessed!”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>

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			<h6><strong>Artist:</strong> <a href="http://www.billieeilish.com">Billie Eilish</a><br />
<strong>Album:</strong> <em><a href="http://www.billieeilish.com">Don&#8217;t Smile at M</a>e</em></h6>

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			<p>Billie Eilish started 2019 as one of several young artists operating just below the radar, having enjoyed initial success with her debut single ‘Ocean Eyes’ in early 2016. More single releases followed but few made any significant inroads, although ‘Lovely’, a collaboration with Khalid, made it to number five in Australia and number four in New Zealand. Her first major worldwide hit, ‘Bury A Friend’, was released in January 2019, and since then the world has gone bonkers over the young singer. ‘Bad Guy’ was an even bigger hit than ‘Bury A Friend’, and her debut album, ‘When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?’, reached number one in 20 countries.</p>
<p>An artist breaking through like this is not unusual. What makes Eilish exceptional is that her music sounds so different to everything else; it’s bass-heavy, with very little high-end and relatively little in the mid-range, virtually no reverb, lots of weird and wonderful incidental sounds (e.g. a match lighting, a door squeaking), and she sings so softly that she almost whispers. Most of all, there’s the striking production of her songs, courtesy of her older brother and co-writer Finneas O’Connell. The spaces that O’Connell regularly leaves in the production are so daring as to be almost mind-blowing – there are often gaps of two or three seconds with nothing at all. The young duo does not work entirely in isolation, however; they’re aided by mixing engineer Rob Kinelski and mastering engineer John Greenham. Although everything comes across as very understated and minimalist, there’s actually a lot going on. Kinelski explains how he got involved and describes the production process&#8230;</p>
<p>“I’d mixed an album for a singer called LP, which John [Greenham] mastered. Finneas and Billie asked John to recommend a mixing engineer, and he recommended me. They wanted someone who was really good with the low end, and had an urban background. The first song I mixed for them was ‘Bellyache,’ as a try-out, and they loved it. They asked me to mix their next song, and they’ve kept calling ever since. Just before we did the EP (Don’t Smile At Me, 2017), they invited me over because they wanted to get to know me. We discussed their musical concept somewhat, but other than that it was simply a matter of me knowing what I’m going to get from them, and them knowing what they’re going to get from me. I know that they want the low-end to be massive without overwhelming everything else, and they want the vocals to be super-present. Everything they do is deliberate. There’s a song on the album called ‘8,’ and it has an off-centre kick drum. I made the kick mono because I thought it sounded cool, but then a little later they said, ‘you know what? Let’s put it back to where it was.’ And that was the right call. They know exactly what they want, and I just try to take it to the next level.”</p>
<h4><strong>LEVELING UP</strong></h4>
<p>The place where Kinelski takes things to the next level is his home studio in Los Angeles, which is a typical in-the-box facility apart from his extensive collection of Dangerous Music gear. “I run Pro Tools HD native, with an Avid I/O 16&#215;16. I also have the Dangerous Music 2-Bus, Dangerous Music Compressor and Dangerous Music Monitor-ST monitor controller. I’ve also got the Dangerous Music Convert-AD+, but I didn’t get that until after I finished Billie’s album. My monitors are ProAc Studio 100s, Yamaha NS10s, Auratones, and I just got the Avantone CLA-10s. I also have the eight-fader Avid Artist Mix, and I use it a lot. For the rest it’s keyboard and mouse, and that works for me.”</p>

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			<p>“I came up at Sony Music Studios in New York where I was working on SSL and Neve desks, which are great. But the workflow today is “pull this up, pull that up!” and you’d be going crazy on a console. Even in big studios the big consoles have, for the most part, become giant arm rests. In 2011 I mixed Common’s album The Dreamer/The Believer, and in 2012 Nas’ Life Is Good, both on an SSL. But then it got to the point that clients were asking for precise and minute revisions, like ‘can you turn the vocal up a quarter of a dB?’, that were impossible to do on a console.”</p>
<p>While Kinelski has joined the vast majority of his mix colleagues by going in-the-box and working from his own place, one old habit in particular is still very important to him. “I do a lot of listening. It is really easy in this time and age to overdo surgery, because you are mixing visually and you are adjusting things by a tenth of a dB, and you swear you can tell the difference. It is so easy to fall down that rabbit hole, overdoing everything. The way I work is to listen, primarily. I do everything that’s necessary – levels, vibe, treatments – and then I do the surgery and clean-ups last. I only deal with stuff that jumps out and bugs me. Everything else I leave because I like to keep things organic.”</p>
<h4><strong>COME OUT AND WORK</strong></h4>
<p>Specific to working with Eilish and O’Connell, Kinelski shares, “Our way of working is always the same: they have a new song, and they send it over. Finn sends me awesome stems. With some people you go, ‘oh, this is going to be tough’, but he does a really good job. I don’t normally know what treatments he has on things; if there are any reverbs at all they’ll be on a separate track, but normally things are super dry. Many of the vocals have no reverb, and all I do is add a little bit of the SoundToys MicroShift for more width.”</p>
<p>“The vocal production is already dialed in when I receive the sessions. I do a lot of really subtle editing on the vocals, because she sings so quietly and that means there’s a lot of mouth noise: breaths, lip sounds, and so on. I do this by clip gaining or using the pencil tool. I don’t pitch or tune anything. I don’t know whether they tune things, but Billie’s control is amazing so they might all be real takes. The vocals usually come with the distortion effects, and occasionally I’ll add a bit to that.”</p>
<p>“I take a day for my first mix pass, and then I’ll send it to them for feedback. They’ll come back to me with comments, usually really quickly. Sometimes they send me a new stem to swap for an old one. During the first part of the making of the album I added a small ambient reverb, barely audible, and the only comment that came back to me was: ‘take off the reverb.’  Billy is heavily involved, but I usually get feedback from Finn. With the album they sent me voice notes for revisions – they’d been talking into their phones, and they sent me the messages they had recorded! I’ve never had that happen before, but it was very cool. Billie would sing me the vocal parts she was referring to.”</p>

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<p>“After that, in 2001, I studied at the SAE Institute in New York. Then I opened my own studio in New Jersey, and started producing bands for about two years. Because I was never making any major label records, I left and got a job at Sony Music Studios – first as a runner, then a general assistant. I was assistant engineer on Beyoncé’s second album, B’Day (2006), then all of a sudden I was doing all these R&amp;B sessions; I also got to record some of Beyoncé’s vocals. I was riding high, but the studio closed in 2007. Following that I went free-lance, and worked for Sony ATV for two years recording three or four demos a day; that’s how I got my chops up. However, there was not a lot of work and the rates were bad, so in 2009 I packed two suitcases and drove to LA. I arrived on Monday, and Tuesday I had a gig. I started working with Roc Nation and hooked up with producer No I.D. for a two-week session; I ended up working with him for four years! We worked with everyone from J. Cole to Big Sean to Nas. After four years I wanted to break out on my own, and for the last five to six years I’ve been mixing. I initially rented a room, but the last three years I’ve worked from my house, which has been great.”</div> <!-- description --></div> <!-- aio-icon-box --></div> <!-- aio-icon-component --></div></div></div></div><div class="vc_row wpb_row vc_row-fluid wpb_animate_when_almost_visible wpb_bounceInUp bounceInUp"><div class="wpb_column vc_column_container vc_col-sm-4"><div class="vc_column-inner"><div class="wpb_wrapper"><div class="vc-hoverbox-wrapper  vc-hoverbox-shape--rounded vc-hoverbox-align--center vc-hoverbox-direction--default vc-hoverbox-width--100"  ontouchstart="">
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			<h4><strong>BURYING A FRIEND</strong></h4>
<p>Kinelski gave extensive details of his mix of Eilish’s breakthrough single ‘Bury A Friend,’ to illustrate his approach. It all starts with his Pro Tools mix template. “I have many effects in my template, ready to go, but after I finish a mix I get rid of anything I did not use. I load all of Finn’s stems into the template session and, when I set all stems at unity, it will be virtually identical to his reference mix. Then I filter it into my template, routing and grouping things as I like them, and tweaking my master fader.”</p>
<p>“My mix process is pretty old school in that I start with kick, snare and hats, and get those feeling great. Then I bring in the vocals and make sure they sit well with the drums. Working on the drums and vocals this way is a hip-hop approach, I guess. Then I mute the vocals and bring in the bass, and work on bass and drums together. After that I’ll work on just keys and drums. I tend to work in groups, and build the entire track together like that.”</p>
<p>“My method on all songs for the album was similar. After I had dialed in Billie’s vocal for the first song that I mixed, I imported that vocal chain into every mix and tweaked it as necessary. They used the same vocal chain to record all her vocals, which meant that everything that came to me was super consistent. It’s one of the reasons why the album as a whole is consistent – Billie’s vocals are always captured with the same mic through the same preamp, and I used the same vocal mix chain for almost the entire album; although I might have changed it a little bit for one or two songs.”</p>
<p>Kinelski’s Pro Tools mix session of ‘Bury A Friend’ is, by contemporary standards, relatively modest at 69 tracks. The mix session consists of 18 drum tracks, four bass tracks, one piano track, four keys tracks, seven sound-effect tracks, six lead vocals, nine lead vocal harmonies, and seven backing vocals. Each set of vocals has an aux group track above it. Below all the audio tracks is one aux effects track (with the MicroShift), seven stereo tracks of outputs to the Dangerous Music 2-Bus, and VCA that controls these outputs, two master tracks and two final mix print tracks. The structure and tracks names also give some insight in O’Connell’s production approach, with drum tracks having names like ‘dial tone,’ and ‘tension,’ sound-effect tracks called ‘nightmare,’ ‘screech,’ ‘scary shit’ and ‘voldemort,’ and an impressive 22-track vocal arrangement with lead vocals spread over six tracks.</p>

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			<h4><strong>DIGGING DEEPER</strong></h4>
<p>Kinelski described his mix session from the top, starting by addressing the most striking aspect of the session: the fact that there are so few plugins. This obviously reflects the quality of O’Connell’s stems, but also, as Kinelski explains, “I like to keep it simple and use minimal plugins, most of the time. When I get new plugins it’s usually because they are in sessions sent to me by clients, and I want to see what they do. Other than that I have a really simple approach, especially with Billie’s stuff. I’ll be doing some volume riding, but the beauty of Finn’s stuff is that many of his transitions are built in to the session. The sound-effects create many of the dynamics, while the rest is mostly loop-driven.”</p>
<p>“The only plugins on the drums are the Waves SSL Channel Strip doing EQ, compression and gating. It’s my ‘go-to’ channel strip; I like to pretend I’m still on a console! I have it on two kick tracks, two snare tracks, and the hats. One of the kick tracks, the ‘PitchKick’, is a massive 808 and has the FabFilter Pro-Q2 pulling the sub frequencies down. The only other plugins on the instruments are the SSL Channel Strip on the piano track, and the SSL Channel Strip and FabFilter Pro-Q2 on the organ track.”</p>
<p>“I’ve divided the vocals into three groups, but that’s just my interpretation. Some of the harmonies could be backing vocals, or vice versa. The chain is the same on the lead vocals and lead vocal harmony groups, but I varied the settings. The insert chain starts with the FabFilter Pro-Q2 doing a low cut. Then there’s the Waves PuigChild 670 compressor on one of its default settings, a Waves De-esser, another Pro-Q2 scooping the mid-range, the UAD 1073, and the Waves Vocal Rider.”</p>
<p>“I love the Pro-Q2, because it allows you to audition the specific frequency you’re working on. You press a button, sweep through to find what you don’t want, then pull it down. I kept doing that, combing over the vocal, and it ended up with this mid-range scoop. All EQ was subtractive, because I loved the tone of the vocal as it was and felt that all the frequencies I needed were already there. I added a hair of top end with the Neve, but that’s it. The Vocal Rider is the final insert, and it’s smoothing out any dips and peaks, maybe by 2dB. It’s a corrective thing, and I prefer using that to a compressor. I do my vocal rides, i.e. my performance automation, after I set the Vocal Rider.”</p>
<p>“The two lead vocal aux tracks also have a send to the MicroShift, which is the only one of my template’s aux effect tracks that I ended up using for this mix and therefore left in the session. The thing that’s interesting is that I automated the Mute on the MicroShift aux because it was giving off the slightest bit of hiss. I don’t automate the Bypass, because I found out that it sometimes clicks when it goes in and out. The Mute does not do that.”</p>
<p>“Below the MicroShift aux are the send tracks to the Dangerous Music 2-Bus summing mixer. DBus 1-2 is for drums, 3-4 is for bass, 5-6 is for keys, 7-8 is for sound-effects, 9-10 is for lead vocals, 11-12 is for backing vocals, and 15-16 is my effect returns – in this case only the MicroShift. I have the Steven Slate Virtual Mix Rack on all DBus tracks, using various different modules. The sound effect DBus has the Pro-Q2, and the backing vocals have the Sonnox Oxford Inflator. The signal comes back summed to stereo on the two Print master tracks. They have identical plugins, with the only difference being a lower setting on one of the limiters to give John Greenham, the mastering engineer, more to play with. The chain is the UAD Ampex ATR102 set to 30ips and half inch, UAD Thermionic Culture Vulture with just a hair of drive, the FabFilter Pro-L2 limiter, and the TC Electronics Clarity M meter.”</p>
<h4><strong>LISTEN BEFORE YOU GO</strong></h4>
<p>With Billie Eilish’s album still riding high in the charts everywhere, Kinelski feels on top of the world and his phone is ringing non-stop. “It’s been crazy,” he says. “But it’s cool, and I’m grateful. I knew this was going to be big, but I had no idea it was going to be this big. I had an inkling when I saw an industry showcase they did before the EP came out – normally the industry A&amp;R people in LA are a tough crowd, always checking their phones to see where they’re going next, but from the first chord Finneas played and the first note Billie sang, you could hear a pin drop. They captivated everyone. After I finished mixing the album, I listened to it analytically as a whole for the first time, and thought, ‘Wow, this is a dark album.’ There really is hardly any high end in there, and no reverb. I wondered how it would translate to the world, but it’s been nothing but positive!”</p>
<p>The sound that Eilish and O’Connell have created together, aided by Kinelski and Greenham, is unlike anything else in the charts. The next decade will show whether their sound will remain unique to them, or turn out to be a harbinger of a new direction in music and production.</p>

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